Taking a stand 

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"I learned that from the punk scene in Vancouver, especially Joey (of DOA). If you don’t respect yourself, you have nothing," says Hopeless. "There have been some shows where we’ve had the chance to play in front of really big crowds, but I haven’t really liked the other bands we were playing with. I just didn’t like the show. I talked to a lot of people about it, including Joey, and they said, ‘You’ll get to expose yourself to a whole other world, and whether they like you or hate you, be yourself. At least you went and stood there.’ To play in front of the already-converted is one thing, but to face the unknown, to stand up and face your worst nightmare, that’s the punkest thing you could ever do."

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